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		<title>Conversations, Part Deux</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hazel Stone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Snippets from a conversation I had this morning with MC&#8230; &#8220;Honestly, I think the green movement is going to damage us in ways we won&#8217;t be able to comprehend fully until we&#8217;re 60 years on the other side of it.&#8221; And: &#8220;The ecomommies&#8230;let&#8217;s just say I very much look forward to the day when I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snippets from a conversation I had this morning with <a href="http://abigvictory.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">MC</a>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Honestly, I think the green movement is going to damage us in ways we won&#8217;t be able to comprehend fully until we&#8217;re 60 years on the other side of it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The ecomommies&#8230;let&#8217;s just say I very much look forward to the day when I get to punch one of them in the t1ts.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m doing all my best writing in email.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>Conversations</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hazel Stone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m going to stop apologizing for our sporadic posting.  It&#8217;s summer, we have other crap to do.  Deal. Friend of TLIH, Michele Catalano, has another article up at PJ, on adults providing minors with alcohol and the inevitable legal/judicial ramifications.  In the comments is the inevitable, &#8220;if someone is old enough to serve why are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to stop apologizing for our sporadic posting.  It&#8217;s summer, we have other crap to do.  Deal.</p>
<p>Friend of TLIH, <a href="http://abigvictory.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Michele Catalano</a>, has <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/when-teens-drink-party-host-parents-should-pay-the-price/" target="_blank">another article up at PJ</a>, on adults providing minors with alcohol and the inevitable legal/judicial ramifications.  In the comments is the inevitable, &#8220;if someone is old enough to serve why are they not old enough to drink?&#8221;  I am soooo tired of that argument, so I took it up with Ted in IM:</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> can you tell me how military service and legally buying a drink are at all equivalent?<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone</span>:</strong> i am Tired of that stupid comparison<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> haha<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson</span>:</strong> I think it comes down the thougt that if a man can die but not drink, then we are sending children to fight our wars<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> not if they bloody well choose service for themselves<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> we ain&#8217;t DRAFTING them<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson</span>: </strong>all volunteer makes a diff, yes<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong>tedbronson:</strong> </span>however<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> in san diego and san antonio, kids can drink on post to keep them from going across to mexico<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> double standard<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> sigh<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> it&#8217;s weird<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> i recall my only ambition for a weekend when I was a teenager, was to get buzzed and get felt up by a cute guy<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> yup  <span style="color: #999999;"><em>(pretty sure he&#8217;s not agreeing to the &#8220;cute guy&#8221; part  -Ed.)</em></span><br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> and now, it seems so very stupid<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> the question is, if you can trust a kid to drive a sixty ton tank<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> why cant you trust him to be responsible with a beer<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> different<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> not equivalent<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span> </strong>driving a 60 ton tank doesn&#8217;t alter your perception, reflexes, motor skills<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> no<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> either he&#8217;s is a responsible adult or he isn&#8217;t<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> no, because even one beer adds alcohol to your system, alters the above<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span> </strong>driving a tank just adds adrenaline<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> <img src='http://simon-jester.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> I could make the argument that tank driver have limited vison etc<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">HazelStone:</span></strong> haha, but you know it isn&#8217;t equivalent<br />
<strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">tedbronson:</span></strong> but an &#8216;adult&#8217; isnt going to be driving a tank tanked either</p>
<p>I know you lot have an opinion on this.  Let&#8217;s hear it.</p>
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